72 605 Thanks for the explanations and clarification, Phillip! total spread. 0000004565 00000 n 54 616 2 13 52 618 43 621 7 8 Copyright Hard Air Magazine. For complete, simple confirmation, heres a comparative list of the 19 individual parts for Marauder and Challenger 2009 triggers. I'm surprised to see that there is a steady increase in velocity in a shot string. I mentioned that there are many manufacturers that use this design. So this is a big upgrade for the Challenger. 90 578 103 546 1 83 That accessory rail is standard on 10-meter target rifles and is for a hand stop and a sling swivel. Remember, I was getting 72 shots at 560 f.p.s. When using the diopter sights ( G397T-011) on the challenger CH2009S, how much will the sights move per click of the knob? Fully adjustable Marauder trigger group is very good and you can adjust in a crisp, light second stage let off with a . Additionally, the completely re-designed feature set includes a two-stage, match grade, adjustable trigger and a Lothar Walther barrel for unsurpassed accuracy. 47 621 You are using an out of date browser. Crosman Challenger 2009 Target Rifle Part 5, Mounts, bases, rings, levels & scope stops, Generation 2 .25 caliber Benjamin Marauder: Part 12, Why You Should Hunt Coyote This Offseason. 62 612 3 17 Query: . These allow us to earn a commission when you click on an affiliate link. engagement, from long to longer. The coating on the exterior of the rifle is more rust-resistant. 88 579 -2 50 Adjustable cheekpiece. The Gentlemen's 2240 - built on the Crosman 2240 CO2 platform. In fact they have exactly the same dimensions and are interchangeable. ) aH!LDf%f;bn-|%dpM6<. Since I didnt know what I was doing, I put a full clockwise turn on the hammer stroke screw and a full turn counterclockwise on the hammer spring tension adjuster. 125 456 -8 173 This is as close to a precision type rifle as a sporter model could get, and quite possibly the best one currently on the market. The fundraising goal for this product is $1,800, with a minimum endowment donation of $900. Heres the EVP for the Trigger Assembly of the Generation 2 Marauder. 32 621 -2 8 Earl, Thank you BB for solving my little mystery Frank B. Leapers makes a 4x32AO Bug Buster Compact Rifle Scope but UTG also sells another scope with the same specification and even the same model# SCP-432AOMDL2 but a bit cheaper. This FREE online magazine is devoted exclusively to airguns and associated products. 39 617 . Enjoy round after round of the latest news, campaigns, videos and first release gear-drops from Crosman. 2 629 gun in white 1mm I have long been somewhat confused by the differences and similarities between Marauder and Challenger 2009 triggers. Bolt-action (ambidextrous & straight pull) Adjustable cheekpiece. Having made both of those very simple . 65 608 If your program has any questions about fundraising products, feel free to contact us at fundraise@midwayusafoundation.org. Theres only one way to know. The manual states "Your air pistol is designed with an adjustment to change the trigger pull from 1 to 4 lbs." Unfortunately the language is misleading. 126 454 61 609 m13xx Pro-Pumper - built on the Crosman 1377 and 1322 platform. deviation. Airgun Slug BC Variability And Projectile Weight, New Air Venturi Avenge-X Stars At 2023 SHOT Show, Western Airguns Sidewinder Air Rifle Test Review .22 Caliber, H&N Baracuda 15 Pellet Test Review .22 Caliber, Diana Stormrider PCP Air Rifle Test Review .177 Caliber. 117 496 When you reach the 2nd stage is when you actually begin to see movement from the strut, reducing the engagement with the sear until it releases and the gun fires. 7 629 *Note: This will be corrected in the manual when it is updated. With the Crosman triggers, this is NOT the case. 122 473 Careers. Let me name a few: Crosman, Benjamin, Gamo, Stoeger, Hatsan, and many Chinese variants. 81 594 2 35 Most, if not all guns will not be able to go down to one pound. Anyhow, lets return the the Challenger 2021! 62 612 Your team can apply for a Crosman Challenger PCP today! 113 515 85 586 0 43 Below. 36 617 this truley. For questions,contact the Publisher, Stephen Archer. 99 553 0000002513 00000 n 36 617 -2 12 Good balance. HooHOtM}&gFUS4'WH$TSmgg}f~|CnEnV)aFh`I i9@)zd>DH)Ab(71+7\GdF;$I Otherwise, PLEASE ALLOW AT LEAST 24 HOURS so the site administrator has a chance to look into the problem. Hard Air Magazine Online Privacy Statement, Velocity Outdoor Product Manager Phillip Guadaulpe. So, Crosman has adjusted the rifle so it will never go below the sporter-class mandatory 1 lb., 8 oz. Part Three. Anyway, HAPPY TURKEY DAY to all. . Its MIA also. 39 617 0 12 All other designated trademarks, copyrights, and brands are the property of their respective owners. PyramydAir.com uses cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our website. The pellet loading mechanism prevents misfires. Where I primarily shoot has very little to no wind. Insert a small, Phillips-head screwdriver through the hole in the trigger guard. Your Disco should be OK because theyre able to go to 3000 but if I had a Challenger(Nice gun!) For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Just one shot. Well the adjustment screw is almost always set all the way in from the factory. If you have questions or comments, please be sure to share them in the comments section. I decided to adjust both the hammer stroke and the hammer spring tension at the same time. After that first slow shot of 528 f.p.s., the velocity started increasing. 86 582 -4 47 about 1300 psi READ THIS BEFORE CONTINUING! Turn the screwdriver counterclockwise to increase the force required to activate the trigger. Regulator for shot-to-shot consistency, two-stage match grade trigger with adjustable shoe 3000 PSI reservoir for 200+ more shots per fill and higher factory set velocities of 600 FPS Hooded front aperture sight and mico click adjustable diopter rear sight Meets requirements of National Standard three-position air rifle Crosman Challenger Outfitted with the Crosman Diopter Sight System, an adjustable precision sight, all competition shooters new and old, can be proficient with the Challenger PCP. If you have your eye on the podium, youre reaching for a Challenger, which is the rifle of choice for many air rifle teams and U.S. Military JROTC programs. The increase was slow but inexorable, until, at shot 64, the velocity climbed to 557 f.p.s., which was as high as it would go. 0000001729 00000 n How much more would come from dropping the speed by a paltry 28 f.p.s.? #224 Riverside California 92504. Beeman has the RS2 and RS3 triggers, and Hatsan has their Quattro trigger. I thought that was still too fast, so I adjusted the gun a second time. Though it can be trained to and shooters should have no problem getting used to it the Crosman trigger lacks a definitive clean break. The other choices you have in this range start at over $2000. 27 621 The long extension for the butt plate works great for shooters with long arms. variation to 116 shots with a 29 f.p.s. Just doing some legwork to prep for when he comes back. Either setting can affect accuracy and shooter confidence. The psi readings are from the Benjamin pump gauge which seems to be correct. 63 611 -1 18 He is hoping to improve the triggers. Step 2: Fix. 34 620 120 481 87 581 They are promoted as two stage adjustable triggers which will really depends [], Please Note: You must be 18 years of age or older to order and conform to all laws governing the use and ownership of airguns in your local area. You must log in or register to reply here. I dont have the ballistic printer for my Chrony like I told you about yesterday, so when I record any shot string, I have to write all the numbers down. The trigger pull does lighten up with use. 24 624 The owners manual specified what each adjustment would do, but nothing can tell you what the whole shot string will do. Hard Air Magazine is the best Internet destination for everything airgun related. 0 89 579 0 50 I always keep a journal of what pellets I use, the adjustments I make and the performance outcomes. Rick Rehm Signature Series S1721 PCP Pistol - available, limited. Hammer spring adjustment knob C. Hammer/ Striker travel adjustment . The smaller stock. Thats correct. yEHt As soon as I know when the gun will be available, Ill start reporting on it. With the modified blades, after you pull through the 1st stage, the sear and strut are sitting on a hair trigger. 88 579 endstream endobj 92 0 obj <> endobj 93 0 obj <>/Font<>>>/Fields[]>> endobj 94 0 obj <>/ExtGState<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageC/ImageI]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 90/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 612.0 792.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 95 0 obj [/Indexed 116 0 R 245 119 0 R] endobj 96 0 obj [/DeviceN[/Cyan/Magenta/Yellow/Black]116 0 R 117 0 R 118 0 R] endobj 97 0 obj <> endobj 98 0 obj <>stream 125 456 For comparison, here is the cover of the 2019 Velocity Outdoor product catalog. Both models already have adjustable triggers. 55 615 -1 14 Knob=0.164, wrench=2 turns in from stop 32 621 22 625 -1 4 This shows a BP1764 (Gen 2) Marauder. AKA Anschutz 335 Did a quick clean up and function check and it seem to be fine. |FWbU&-6Wo_>J($H8IAO`dFdrH'qc~~E"N4OG7P2Fry|wJv;l1KE '^c96W)bfZz'&FR?~&YCZ Thats important to remember, as today Im going to try to stretch that just a bit. Many Crosman air rifles have triggers that users can adjust themselves. 0000002275 00000 n Unfortunately the language is misleading. CROSMAN TRIGGER FIX !!! Hopefully well have one in for testing as soon as they become available. Both guns have pressure tubes rated to 3,000 psi. hb```b``~ Bl,9"&w]2z?[4r*00$:zQe6 E$`vRBJ|V0(S N>-,.>#+jOA*Rw]Q,]u7n@2NuBZ%?uQjGT You can learn to live with the trigger and just get used to it, or if you are adventurous, you can opt to pick up one of the 3rd party replacement trigger blade options out on the market. Crosman has always been VERY consistent and clear with part numbers. This labelling confusion extends to many other parts. Phillip explains that there was a material change made in about 2014 that accounts for the different part numbers. Align the screwdriver's head with the small set screw located just in front of the trigger assembly. 0000020108 00000 n When I shoot my Discovery indoors I adjust down to 10-12 ftlbs and get about 120 shot. Theres a strut that rides on top of the sear that lock things into place. 14 627 -2 2 29 622 The test was now underway, and the first two shots were included. 0000002322 00000 n Additional information that may be relevant: The following connection details have been logged to help the site administrator resolve this issue: 118 494 -2 135 Frankly, I cant wait to see how this new trigger system works out for Crosman. Sign up for the Crosman email list and well get things started with a 10%-off code you can use on your first order. The site administrator invites you to start a trouble ticket about this issue. Check your email to get blasting! The only adjustment is out, which takes the length, i.e. 1 626 -pump=2300 86 582 about 1300 psi 6 632 84 586 Will I do damage to my Crosman Challenger and my Benjamin Discovery by filling them to 2300 psi? Nonetheless, the people in the grocery store looked at me very strange. We recently changed some things on our PCP and Break Barrel Air Rifle warranties. %PDF-1.3 % They are the location of the trigger blade, first-stage travel, second-stage travel and the weight of the trigger-pull. Remove the trigger from the trigger assembly. The "6300" was the Anschutz model 333. Ask Question. 47 621 1 8 They are promoted as two stage adjustable triggers which will really depends on how you define what is a trigger stage? Let me try to explain. . Because theres so much engagement between the sear and the strut its going to be next to impossible to see a misfire from this type of trigger design. 40 617 0 12 In a true 2 stage trigger, the first part of the pull, usually very light, would begin the rotation leaving the 2nd stage right on the end of breaking that connection and firing the rifle. 53 614 It is a chore. Whats The Best Velocity For Slugs To Minimize Wind Drift? from Gamo Match pellets, and I guess I also got a 100-shot string that had 34 f.p.s.total spread but I dont know which pellet that was. This is also the case for the Safety, which has part numbers 1763-043 and 1764-043. Also, the Trigger Casing Side Plate is shown as having different part numbers (1763-041 and 1764-041) between the Gen 1 Marauder and the Gen 2/Challenger. Trigger adjustment There's no Marauder! 9 631 2 -2 Host / ISP: 104.248.11.200 This time it came out with a shot at 532 f.p.s. 18 625 Only from Crosman, the world leader in airgun innovation since 1923. 109 526 -5 103 With an unmodified trigger, when you pull through the 1st stage and then do NOT take the shot, the sear and strut remain fully engaged, and thereby still very safe. Trigger pull weight for the Crosman Custom Shop regulated Marauder tested by HAM averaged around 2 Lbs 10 Oz out of the box. It is shooting 8.4 AA's at 792 FPS for 11.70 FPE. 0000011373 00000 n This year at the JROTC National Championship, Nation Ford High School MCJROTC earned 1st place by shooting a winning score of 4440 159. Head to our fundraising products page with the button below and apply using the links by the Crosman Challenger PCP. HAM participates in affiliate advertising programs. 66 609 1 20 Crosman Challenger 2000. 1. If there is a hole, your Crosman rifle contains an adjustable trigger. 21 626 -1 3 Consult current 3P regs for allowed costs of sporter rifles. I also spoke to Velocity Outdoor Product Manager Phillip Guadaulpe. The manual gives guidance for default settings of both adjustments, but that doesnt answer my question. These screws are located in different positions relative to the trigger slot in the pressure tube of the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Marauders. Cant help you with the odd cocking lug thing, never took one apart. 50 619 -3 10 624 STOP! Those brands are Feinwerkbau, Anschutz, etc. It features a synthetic stock with adjustable buttpad and cheekpiece. Following a fresh fill to 2,000 psi, I chronographed the first shot from the rifle with H&N Finale Match pellets at 560 f.p.s., which was very close to the average Id gotten in an earlier test (556 f.p.s.). Hard Air Magazine is a Trademark of Archer Airguns Inc. No spam, only great airgun news and deals. Current trigger packs for the Gen 2 Marauder both use the newer Gen 2 Casing Side Plate. 66 609 Before anyone asks, the SAM (Semi Auto Marauder) trigger assembly is very different from that of the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Marauders. 81 594 Hans & Ray ( aka Team Crosman ) used them for a couple of years in the "12fpe" class. I wouldnt take the risk. High-pressure air (2,000 psi) or CO2 (Dual Fuel) Single-shot. 59 615 -1 14 The trigger pull is lighter than the 953 but a little heavier than the 753. The Generation 1 Marauder (models BP1763, 2263 and 2563) and the Crosman Challenger 2009 both use the same trigger assembly. Crosman Corporation 7629 Rts. Bolt-action (ambidextrous & straight pull) 2-stage, match-grade, adjustable trigger. Generally they will reduce the trigger pull down around 1 to 2 pounds and allow you to adjust the break of the 2nd stage. Well, as you can imagine, Ive been asked this question a bunch of times over the years. 20 627 low end of red If you dont take the shot, the strut and sear do NOT automatically return to full engagement, rather they stay at that hair trigger point. 6 More Images. Terms of Use, The famous, rather the infamous Crosman Trigger, Benjamin Discovery Part 1 The Game Changer. 12 630 0 -1 Blogger is still hosed, but Edith is finding ways around it. 71 605 -3 24 Essentially you have a lever, i.e. 115 506 8 629 0 0 4 633 3 -4 We would share some features and specs about this rifle; however, its best you hear from the leaders of Clover High School AFJROTC, Senior Master Sergeant Woody Woodham, and Nation Ford High School MCJROTC, Colonel Sean Mulcahy. 12 630 The pistol grip is prominent and will require a very different grip from the outgoing model. 116 502 Affiliate Program | However, the obvious implication is that there will be a forthcoming separate 2021 Benjamin catalog, plus logically a separate catalog for the Velocity Outdoor archery brands and maybe more for optics, LaserMax and airsoft products. And that was all it took to increase the shot string from 100 shots with a 34 f.p.s. I just got done reading about sprung gauges due to overpressurization so I would say thats one area of concern, who knows what else people have had happen and arent willing to tell others why? For current prices, please contact Customer Service at 1-800-7AIRGUN (724-7486). When you pull the trigger you eventually rotate the strut away from the sear which allow the sear to rise and release the piston. Remember, it does all of this on a fill of just 2,000 psi. In this case, it is the the newer 1764-043 part that is obsolete. The thinking behind this trigger system, which is used by many, manufacturers by the way, is all about safety. Even with the (slightly) higher claimed Muzzle Velocity, the result is still going to be a stellar number of shots per fill. I'm a single parent and told my kids that I was making it easier to insert the thermometer. Air rifle teams looking to upgrade their rifles can get a Challenger PCP and grow their team endowment, plus the donation will be matched! Now some are better than others. Get a Crosman Challenger PCP For Your Team! 0000033562 00000 n Suite C Ive tried most of them and they all basically do the same thing. You've recommended the Bug Buster scope in the past and I was wondering if there's any difference between the UTG and the Leapers Bug Buster? 83 591 3 38 Leapers makes UTG, but which UTG are you referring to, when comparing it to the Bug Buster? Airgun Nation is the epicenter for learning, sharing, and discussing everything related to airguns. The stock 1077 double-action trigger is notoriously difficult to shoot with comfort and accuracy, due both to its weight (upwards of 7lb break) and long creep (~1/4"), making . Hard Air Magazine is a Trademark of Archer Airguns Inc. No spam, only great airgun news and deals. Airgun and Airbow Service, Repair and Parts. 98 556 31 623 1-30=10 psi/shot 119 485 -9 144 I didnt. Nothing is actually moving in the trigger, i.e. 127 446 -8 183 bottom of green. A 100-shot string is mind-numbing, to say the least. The Crosman Challenger PCP three-position pellet rifle brings big upgrades for competitors. 100 553 0 76 Before I get to the velocity adjustment, though, I first want to cover the trigger. Model CH2009 .177 cal. User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 14_6 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/14.1.1 Mobile/15E148 Safari/604.1 [ZBB4.2 en NA US 14061 0] This is combined with an increase in HPA fill pressure to 3,000 PSI. Stripped Query: 82 588 -6 41 JSB RS 7.33 gr pellets 10 626 high end of red 73 602 -3 27 Hard Air Magazine covers the whole airgun community and provides visitors with a constantly changing variety of news and airgun test reviews. Thats not always the case unfortunately. Yes, I shot our turkey this year with an airgun. It's MIA also. But how much did I have to drop to get a good long string with the least velocity variation? Below. My answer may not be the most popular one on the block, but here it goes. 57 617 6 12 105 540 gun=1000 psi Im currently testing the AirForce Edge, which is within a week or twoat the mostof coming to market. Challenger Competition Air Rifle. 121 0 obj <>stream It is a lot better than the cheaper PCP because it needs nothing to be a great . 100+ shots per fill is a pumper's dream. 53 614 -4 15 MidwayUSA Foundation 124 464 56 611 All rights reserved. All other individual trigger parts ARE interchangeable. 0000027333 00000 n Im just keeping a record of whats happening. 49 622 average 1-50 Can be modded to 12 or even 20fpe- not much shot count there tho ) . 1. There also looks to be a hamster (fore hand support) ahead of the trigger. Reconstructed URL: http:// airgunwarriors.com /community/airgun-talk/crosman-challenger-and-crosman-1701p/ 15 628 1 1 24 624 1 5 Each of you wants something different from his gun; and as long as you keep it reasonable, the Challenger 2009 can deliver. Most, if not all guns will not be able to go down to one pound. 1 626 3 -pump=2300 Please enter the relevant details below, and click the "Submit Trouble Ticket" button to send it to us. There was a question about this a few days back. The adjustable tab on the trigger. 114 509 -6 120 All Rights Reserved. 31 623 0 6 1-30=10 psi/shot 0000004453 00000 n The Challenger PCP kept the adjustable stock and ambidextrous bolt handle from the wildly popular Challenger 2000, but now includes a patented linear bolt. . 113 515 0 114 42 614 61 609 -1 20 17 628 1 1 The shorter the stroke, the less air that escapes and vice-versa. The Discovery will just shoot much slower. The teams air rifle of choice was the Crosman Challenger PCP. 80 592 -1 37 That takes experience. 99 553 -3 76 107 533 -3 96 =12.4 psi/shot Master Sergeant Woodham and Colonel Mulcahy put together a list of reasons why the Crosman Challenger PCP is their teams air rifle of choice; see below. 112 515 -6 114 It does look cramped under the rear sight and like it would be difficult to work. Covering news, politics and local communities, he has worked for daily newspapers across Colorado, including the "Columbine Courier" and the "Colorado Statesman." Happy Thanksgiving to Mr and Mrs BB + all the blog readers! MidwayUSA Foundation is a 501(c)(3) public charity. 19 626 How it works. 76 597 79 593 -4 36 average 1-78 Shot FPS 25 623 -1 6 2. 38 617 3 12 Essentially you have a lever, i.e. MCAirguns is very proud to offer our own custom airguns. Not to worry,I did not pay retail and you shouldn't either.the total .$800 for new PCP and used Engage scope .A PCP as accurate as $1600-1800 PCP's at the range I shot.though I will say it is not as solid feeling nor made as well as the PCP that cost $1000 more. But Ill leave that chore to you guys. There is a downside however. I mentioned in Part 4 that I would return and adjust the rifle for a specific pellet. This looks to be a major upgrade to the previous Challenger 2009 model. 5 629 -4 0 97 558 67 609 0 20 Im not going to tell you which one to get. The numbers on the utility rail make it easy to adjust your hand stop and maintain consistency. 46 620 -2 9 121 479 . The 2021 Crosman catalog has been published. How can I find the part numbers? 11 630 4 -1 HAM participates in affiliate advertising programs. 91 31 28 622 The Challenger groups are too small for me to measure at my 54 feet inside range. 16 627 The 2021 Crosman catalog has been published. .177 caliber, three-position, competition style pellet rifle, Fully adjustable, precision synthetic stock with swappable sidelever cocking handle, Regulator for shot-to-shot consistency, two-stage match grade trigger with adjustable shoe, 3000 PSI reservoir for 200+ more shots per fill and higher factory set velocities of 600 FPS, Hooded front aperture sight and mico click adjustable diopter rear sight, Meets requirements of National Standard three-position air rifle, LIMITED TIME SPECIAL: FULL AUTO AK1 - ALTERNATE SPECIAL: SEE DEAL. How can I adjust the trigger down to one pound like it states in the manual for the 2300T/2300S? I am not into field target or competition shooting. Heres what I did 0000001854 00000 n The question is: Why would Velocity Outdoor not include all their airgun products in a single catalog? Hmmm. The reason(s) your connection was interrupted are:Cloud (IPV4:L4258).