I can hardly stand to read that section in my Bible, much less watch it acted out. Harvest Christian Academy, a private K-12 school with 650 students, was opened in Elgin . , but my fans urged me to stay. Sadly, it is not uncommon to find that in time of great loss, the church is not really there for them after all, that in case of health problems that make one unable to serve, they are quickly forgotten, that the great majority of those friendships have a tendency to evaporate or even turn to shunning if put to the test; that it was all a grand illusion, after all the time, effort and loyalty invested. It appears he has been a poser, a bully and a thug for a very long time. The Evangelical Bubble proclaimed it a Witnessing Tool (as if that was the only reason for anything) and then bought out so many showings a lot of the theaters had to discontinue group tickets. I am not on Twitter myself, but I have been following others, like you. For example, priests cannot conduct divine liturgy without laity present, the liturgy cannot proceed without the participation of the laity saying amen during various parts of the liturgy and prayers, and bishops cannot ordain priests with the amen of the laity in the congregation. I pray that God will continue to use you to shine a spotlight on wicked works of darkness in Christendom today. Lol. ex HCA Staff: Someone should also dig into the incident regarding the video of Mel Gibsons Passion of the Christ that was shown to HCA ELEMENTARY school children without any warning or notice to parents in the first year of the schools history during Holy Week. You chose to serve in a church with incredibly stupid , unbiblical and mean people in charge. When God leaves, it always becomes about something elseits amazing. No more Moses behind a veil. There are true men of God who are laboring in the field who never get accolades and honor bestowed on them this side of heaven. i take no more stock in what paul thinks than i do in what i think. James and you have lived a lifestyle for a long time of trying to prove that Jesus lied. Or allowed to keep anything hidden from those who are part of the community? We know the examples of Timothy, Titus etc. I dont see how you could get any further from the mark in your comment. . So instead of trying to defend these rascals, I prefer to inform and warn the church about the wolves in their midst rather than giving them a break. Years ago when I was experiencing a dark period spiritually someone said to me, Hang onto God! In response without thinking these words came out of my mouth (and I cant help but think it was the Holy Spirit speaking), I cant hang onto God right now but He will hang onto me. Dallas Jenkins: It was leaked. Jenkins says he has "great affection" for his time at Harvest, his work there, and even his time even knowing Driscoll. We have seen God continue to change lives through the people and ministries of our church. For those who regularly read this blog, question with critical thinking, demand proof for claims made, and hold those posting and commenting to the same standards being written about. Noevangelical: Lowlandseer, It has reference to one who is seen as a care giver, or guardian for the church. The terminal stage 4 cancer exists. This man is a disgrace to humanity. Give them what they want in the present, and they wont care about the past. (1 Peter 4:14). Youre welcome. PRESBUTEROS = EPISKOPOS = POIMEN First question: when was this letter written and sent? This cancer is about to metastasize across the U.S. and ALL of the dirt needs to be made public for the safety and spiritual well-being of the masses. Friend: And you have the same right as the rest of us to post anonymously. 4107 N Steele Blvd, Fayetteville, AR, 72703, United States. I agree with those who say that Dee is fair with her control of her blog. Their influence will spread exponentially once decentralized. Thing is, if it were Bill MacDonald, a little-known pastor of a tiny church from Podunk, Alabama, and he and his wife were having marital troubles that didnt involve his abuse of others, it likely wouldnt be anyones business but his close friends and perhaps his little church. Having experienced the unique life-changing work that God does when we interrupt our typical routines, our leaders began searching the Midwest for land suitable toward building a camp, or property with an existing camp. the powerbrokers have everyone brainwashed that the insitution is too big to fail. Im not going to say that to you. jyjames: How to do church that has nothing to do with Jesus, then. The Elders and the search team felt unified in their decision and confident in Gods hand in providing the Bucknams to our church family. Which really Goes against believing in an all powerful creator God almighty. When people look back on the history of the American evangelical movement in the first years of the third millennium, I sure hope they will shake their heads and ask why we put up with this nonsense for so long. Yup, there are plenty of great sources of community *outside* of the church. (Stacey Wescott/Chicago Tribune/TNS. Every single person there loves Harvest so much that they cant leave?? Yet the first line in that post was that Dee would not allow comments. To answer your point about making the jump. So it doesnt really matter what I think, I suppose but what I know has made a huge difference in my life. Somewhere in the book we read that God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.. Revamping the financial transparency laws for 501-c3 religious entities would be a good start. In the history of the church, which is most seductive:money, sex, or power? So Guidepost "determined that using Twitter was no longer an option for them." The damage he has done is incalculable. You should repent and make reparations where necessary. Makes me sad to think its so. Church Discipline The NT writers frequently warn that false teachers, wolves, charlatans will enter the church to lead people astray; others are already there and will eventually show their true colours. Consistent with your recreational activities, you took a gamble and lost. The movie is being produced by Vertical Church Films, a new film-making branch of the Elgin-based megachurch Harvest Bible Chapel, with its estimated $2 million budget underwritten by the. Straight up, you need to rethink this. Look what that got them. I am not Eastern Orthodox but I have been looking into it. This is indeed the plan of Satan, IMO, but when you try to suggest such a thing you are usually scoffed at as a conspiracy theorist. able to teach (which for me is the whole idea. Agreed; I cant imagine that Paul would be pleased with what is happening. The bear was later seen using the gun to defend itself against local mice and rabbits., PASTOR has to Keep Up With The (Paige) Pattersons, you know. I do have to apologize for a comment that I made that was based on my faulty memory of the facts. Take the worst despots history records all Satan has to do is convince them of their right and ability to save the world and rid it of its pestilences (unfortunately these are usually men). Be imitators of God, as dearly loved children, and live a life of love, even as Christ loved us and gave Himself for us. i mean, why does it matter, any more than what elastigirl thinks, or what Max thinks, or what any of the other cast characters thinks? Just them asking me to become an elder told me something was wrong. A pastor or shepherd is one who devotes themselves to the care of the flock which is placed under his control. The potty-mouth preacher from Seattle is still a big draw for macho-men-wannabes and hes found a new audience within Assembly of God ranks. I remember it vividly because our child was very, very deeply disturbed and upset, AS WAS I. I had not ever seen the movie, nor intended to ever see it. Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) has long been under scrutiny for its finances, questionable transparency, large debts due to its acquisitions of many campuses in the Chicago area, and possible mismanagement. And you dare to point your finger at TWW participants, and courageous Dee? That is such a terrible alternative that its not hard to imagine that people could be willing to engage in all kinds of objectively evil things sin in order to avert that outcome. Behind him, an ancient city unfurled. William J. Stewart. I just think some people do not care one tiny little bit about what the Lord said. It was then that the whole sham of our relationship was exposed, and when I rebuffed him he moved on to someone else. And perhaps we should remember that Jesus did not come to set up authoritative institutions, but to gather his individual lost sheep. Muslin, fka Dee Holmes: So, so much we dont know. This is no different then the very worst of false teachers in 2019. Im working with a couple of other groups and IMO progress is being made. David: James MacDonald played poker I just wonder how much of my tithes went to support gambling problem, If someone aspires to the office of elder, he must be above reproach free from the love of money . Nice list. Its nice to have a multimillionaire dad. I read an article yesterday about small mainstream churches driven to the wall by the migration to the megas being forced to lease their vacant during the week facilities to small businesses in order to generate enough income to keep the doors open. I read that as a statement, not a post open for discussion, and an appeal to stop the speculation and kibitzing over a tragic situation. something in the Chicago water, perhaps. Growth group leaders, childrens staff and volunteers, and many others were committed to creating ways to safely and faithfully meet together. Dallas Jenkins produced the independent feature Hometown Legend at the age of 25 and shepherded it to distribution by Warner Brothers. I do know from reading the Acts of Perpetua and Felicity (said to have been written in 203) that church leaders argued with each other. It seems to me that there is a serious idolatry issue at HBC. ex HCA Staff: . Harvests former CFO, Fred Adams, now runs a sketchy consulting group that helps wealthy elite church insiders set up secret LLCs to buy church buildings so that the churches can then transfer wealth to them in the form of both monthly rentals instead of building equity for the members, while also authorizing the campuses to make major improvements and expansions that cost millions, which will then belong to the LLC owners, not the flock. Pingback: Quote for the day | Civil Commotion, When was this statement made and to whom? I am very glad for all your comments on this site. and on the iceberg? Truth (the Word) + The Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit) = Revealed Truth. In April of 2021, following an extensive search and urgent prayer, the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel announced the new Lead Teaching Pastor to be Dr. Jeff Bucknam. That clearly does not describe James MacDonald and HBC elders who are coming forth one at a time to confess their roles in the great deception in Chicago. and they have everyone scared spitless that if they vocalize their concerns about what is unethical in their church, & in their tribe, they will disappoint God, elastigirl: perhaps the other side of this coin can be the joy and happiness of discovering the magnificence of fellow human beings outside the context of christian culture. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Consider the following Scriptures: For a bishop [EPISKOPOS] must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money. (Titus 1:7), Paul and Timothy, bondservants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops [EPISKOPOS] and deacons (Philippians 1:1). And I have collaborated with Ryan and Jessica, among others, throughout this. elastigirl: Honest question: why does it matter what Paul thinks? Oh, they couldnt get away with that completely. The posting of it on this website is unfortunate, as are many of the false rumors in the comments both here and on Twitter from anonymous people. We must put our unreserved trust in God alone, and to at least some degree view all men even our most trusted loved ones by their fruits. That might be the case if your view of Christianity is limited to the local mega-show, but there are places in the world, and even in the US for that matter, where Christianity is much more Biblical and robust, and is not even close to fading away. I believe he also was something of an unwitting prophet, possibly used by the Lord Himself, to reflect a mirror back at U.S. Christendom. Its repulsive that he has to be in fear of his kids kicked out of HCA. The Bible(s) of the Christian church is a very big and complex book, much of it written by men who never met Jesus, nor met anyone who heard Jesus teach. Harvest Bible Chapel Hillsong United James Dobson James MacDonald Jason Sobel Jenna Browder Jennie Lusko Joel Smallbone John Hessup Jonathan Roumie Joni Lamb Jordan Feliz Kari Jobe Katie Torwalt Kay Robertson Kirk Cameron KLOVE Leanna Crawford Levi Lusko Mandisa Marcus Lamb Matt Hagee Matt Maher Mavericm City Michael Jr Phil Robertson Phil Vischer In preparation for the milestone anniversary of 30 years, it seemed fitting to host all our campuses together for Good Friday and Easter Sunday at the Sears Centre Arena. Didnt Dallas or is there another Jenkins son? Where is the elder who stands up and admits, this thing was a wicked, immoral, money-making scheme, corrupting and drawing in people with the lure of mammon and using the money of naive, giving individuals, many of whom gave sacrificially to honor God? Well, Im just a speck in the universe. *the church is in a happier healthier place as a result of the accountable actions of James up urs Sherwood like to MacDonald. Our staff and volunteer leaders cant wait to welcome your kids to our safe, secure, age-appropriate program. For one of his theatrical performances at HBC shortly before his demise, JMac posed as a homeless man to make a sermon point I suppose he was so relevant, you know. Your church, at which you played a significant role, is a five alarm dumpster fire and there are thousands of actual souls who have been affected by this admitted scandal. But, I aint Paul, so I suppose I will just have to wait and see how this sorts itself out in eternity. Ken F (aka Tweed): The history of church offices is a bit more complicated. He was a cynical grandstands and shameless self-promoter. And probably just as Drama-Rama and Fundy about it, Magick Crystals and all. Theres an AUTHENTICITY in there. (baby dont hurt me no more) Maybe JMs associates and enablers thought the most loving thing was to go along with JM for the sake of the everlasting benefits in heaven that would be experienced in the future by the people who were being abused, manipulated, fleeced here under the sun, but who nevertheless were hearing the gospel (as they understood gospel), even though it looks to us like it was being preached from false motives. Harvest Bible Chapel has owned its mistakes and endured to become a happier and healthier church, whose members recently pledged financially, in their walk/work for Christ, and in their. Cut corners in the case of MacDonald, Hybels, Driscoll, and assorted others meant they decided it was OK to be a little wicked if a little good could come from it. That, in my humble, fallible opinion, explains much of the evil that has taken place in this world. Harvest Bible Chapel is a large evangelical organization with congregations across the metro Chicago area. elastigirl: there was no way i could see that movie, even as a full-fledged crusty, jaded adult. How does he know that? The protracted dispute between Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) recently concluded through arbitration.Now the Chicago-area megachurch is sharing details of the settlement and has apologized to its former pastor, who was fired in February 2019.. MacDonald also is speaking out for the first time about the contentious, high-profile split with the congregation he led for 30 . Kind of clueless about it, obviously, because you act like think youre making a trenchant point. Some might even suggest it seems suspiciously tied to new disclosures concerning films he made, gambling issues which have also concerned both Dallas and his father, etc. It is the internal nagging I have following Dees post on Friday about JD Hall and Braxton Caner. They want the best, and so does God. Spot on with your comment. I sincerely thank you for this letter and the emotional turmoil you overcame to write it. And to link them together as a Body of Christ, each one uniquely gifted to be a part of the whole something the institutional church just doesnt appear to get. This article is honest and faithful to what I knew at the time. Never to leave me alone!. Thanks to TWW and other watchblogs for standing in the gap. Very useful and informative. The lampstand was removed a long time ago. TS00: Agreed. Even with the woman who lies in your embrace guard the words of your lips. Nothing to be ashamed of. ++++++++++++++. If its any comfort, other steps are being taken. Thanks for the reply. The history of church offices is a bit more complicated. We do use the facility a lot during the week and make it available for local schools to use. 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